Discussion:
[rescue] Sun JavaStation Software
Richard
2018-07-19 01:43:41 UTC
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I think I might have something....will look when I get home tonight.
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone has a
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's called
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used that
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
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Richard
2018-07-19 08:13:13 UTC
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Hi Jim

Try this, let me know if any issues getting the ISOs. They were made with WinImage if that helps.

Sun Ray Server 3.1 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3uB1s-ICtYvguQDuwYB0QpKBr6X_aJk/view?usp=sharing
Sun Ray Companion https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yZSdUjLECAfgzs8sZHhLCfWNjIcN980-/view?usp=sharing

Regards

Richard
Post by Richard
I think I might have something....will look when I get home tonight.
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone has a
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's called
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used that
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
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Richard
2018-07-19 08:14:12 UTC
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Forgot to mention I will take these down in a week.
Post by Richard
Hi Jim
Try this, let me know if any issues getting the ISOs. They were made
with WinImage if that helps.
Sun Ray Server 3.1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3uB1s-ICtYvguQDuwYB0QpKBr6X_aJk/view?usp=sharing
Sun Ray Companion
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yZSdUjLECAfgzs8sZHhLCfWNjIcN980-/view?usp=sharing
Regards
Richard
Post by Richard
I think I might have something....will look when I get home tonight.
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone has a
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's called
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used that
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
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Peter Stokes
2018-07-19 08:21:06 UTC
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Hi Richard

If the description is correct, then that is the Sun Ray software, not the Java
Station which is a much older system and I would guess not supported with the
Ray software.

I did run a Javastation at one point many years ago, I will try to remember
what software I used.

Peter
Post by Richard
Hi Jim
Try this, let me know if any issues getting the ISOs. They were made with
WinImage if that helps.
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Server 3.1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3uB1s-ICtYvguQDuwYB0QpKBr6X_aJk/view?usp=sh
aring
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Companion
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yZSdUjLECAfgzs8sZHhLCfWNjIcN980-/view?usp=sh
aring
Post by Richard
Regards
Richard
Post by Richard
I think I might have something....will look when I get home tonight.
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone has a
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's called
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used that
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
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Richard
2018-07-19 08:36:16 UTC
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Hi Peter,

Yes description is correct - fresh off the CD in the last hour.

Ah forgot about the difference. May not work.

Richard

Sent from my iPhone
Post by Peter Stokes
Hi Richard
If the description is correct, then that is the Sun Ray software, not the Java
Station which is a much older system and I would guess not supported with the
Ray software.
I did run a Javastation at one point many years ago, I will try to remember
what software I used.
Peter
Post by Richard
Hi Jim
Try this, let me know if any issues getting the ISOs. They were made with
WinImage if that helps.
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Server 3.1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3uB1s-ICtYvguQDuwYB0QpKBr6X_aJk/view?usp=sh
Post by Peter Stokes
aring
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Companion
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yZSdUjLECAfgzs8sZHhLCfWNjIcN980-/view?usp=sh
Post by Peter Stokes
aring
Post by Richard
Regards
Richard
Post by Richard
I think I might have something....will look when I get home tonight.
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone has a
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's called
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used that
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
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Richard
2018-07-19 08:43:44 UTC
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Also according to the following

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaStation

JavaOS should be on the flash...

Does the unit POST when you turn it on?

Sent from my iPhone
Post by Richard
Hi Peter,
Yes description is correct - fresh off the CD in the last hour.
Ah forgot about the difference. May not work.
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
Post by Peter Stokes
Hi Richard
If the description is correct, then that is the Sun Ray software, not the Java
Station which is a much older system and I would guess not supported with the
Ray software.
I did run a Javastation at one point many years ago, I will try to remember
what software I used.
Peter
Post by Richard
Hi Jim
Try this, let me know if any issues getting the ISOs. They were made with
WinImage if that helps.
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Server 3.1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3uB1s-ICtYvguQDuwYB0QpKBr6X_aJk/view?usp=sh
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
aring
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Companion
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yZSdUjLECAfgzs8sZHhLCfWNjIcN980-/view?usp=sh
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
aring
Post by Richard
Regards
Richard
Post by Richard
I think I might have something....will look when I get home tonight.
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone has a
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's called
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used that
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
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Andrew Liles
2018-07-20 02:53:28 UTC
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I have one of these things laying around too and didn't have any luck with the
OG software either but I *was* able to netboot NetBSD on it, it supports Mr.
Coffee hardware out of the box. It netboots similar to other Sun machines of
the era but SunOS/Solaris doesn't have any support for it.

https://www.netbsd.org/ports/sparc/javastation.html

The closest I got to finding the OEM software is here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010505052245/http://sunsite.tut.fi:80/javastati
on/jcdev/software/install/

I don't have any notes on what issues I ran into but I think there is a JavaOS
blob somewhere in the pkg tars there. Would be interested to see if others
have more luck.

-a
On Jul 19, 2018, at 5:55 PM, JimStefanik SunRescue
OK - I have more or less what I need. The other guy on YouTube got back to
me. The server management software itself seems to be unobtainium - he was
able to replicate all of its functions on a Debian box by sniffing the
traffic it generated in WireShare; which is pretty straight-forward. Sun
https://www.dnd.utwente.nl/js/files/
I have mirrored that entire site including all of the Wikis and such and am
working on getting it up on the Wayback Machine as well; so there should be
at least 3 full copies of the site with docs & files pretty soon.
I will also work on getting the Sun doc pages mirrored (and hopefully
Wayback'd as well) over the weekend since I don't trust that Ellison's
Minions won't start dumping whatever is left of their Sun docs soon.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:11 PM, JimStefanik SunRescue <
Hi Richard,
Unfortunately Peter is correct - the software for the SunRay won't work
with the JavaStation; although I did grab it since my copy of SRSS wasn't
complete (I only had like 1 package file) - so you solved my (entirely
unrelated) problem of making my SunRays work. Sadly not what I need for
the JavaStation though.
The way I understand it is that the JavaStation netboots and require the
special software be hosted on a server somewhere on the network. On
powerup, the JavaStation grabs an IP via RARP/BOOTP, then requests its
bootcode via TFTP. Once it has that and executes it, it uses DHCP to get
a
new IP, along with all of its configuration settings, which are passed as
custom DHCP options. One of the many options that gets passed is an NFS
server path that hosts the JavaOS binaries, along with any other binaries
it will run. It pulls all of that down into RAM and starts up from there.
I've seen some references to JavaOS being in flash, but I believe that's
only for the later "Krups" model, not the original Mr. Coffee model. The
Krups model looks like a sharkfin, vs. the Mr. Coffee model is stuffed
inside of a slightly modified Sun external 5.25" HDD/DVD enclosure.
The software exists *somewhere*, since fairly recently - within the last
3-4 months - another guy on YouTube got one running and did a walk
through,
including WireShark captures of the boot process. I've got an email out
to
him, so hopefully that will at least generate some leads.
Thanks!
-Jim
Post by Richard
Also according to the following
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaStation
JavaOS should be on the flash...
Does the unit POST when you turn it on?
Sent from my iPhone
Post by Richard
Hi Peter,
Yes description is correct - fresh off the CD in the last hour.
Ah forgot about the difference. May not work.
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
Post by Peter Stokes
Hi Richard
If the description is correct, then that is the Sun Ray software, not
the
Java
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
Station which is a much older system and I would guess not supported
with
the
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
Ray software.
I did run a Javastation at one point many years ago, I will try to
remember
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
what software I used.
Peter
Post by Richard
Hi Jim
Try this, let me know if any issues getting the ISOs. They were made
with
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
WinImage if that helps.
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Server 3.1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3uB1s-ICtYvguQDuwYB0QpKBr6
X_aJk/view?usp=sh
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
aring
Post by Richard
Sun Ray Companion
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yZSdUjLECAfgzs8sZHhLCfWNjIc
N980-/view?usp=sh
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
aring
Post by Richard
Regards
Richard
Post by Richard
I think I might have something....will look when I get home tonight.
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone
has
a
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
Post by Richard
Post by Richard
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's
called
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
Post by Richard
Post by Richard
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used
that
Post by Richard
Post by Peter Stokes
Post by Richard
Post by Richard
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
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Jerry Kemp
2018-07-20 03:51:51 UTC
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Thank you for finding and sharing those files. Sure you probably already knew, but the software version you have is 1.0.1 . I came
up with that version from the pkginfo file.

I did a lot of Internet searching on this today, and didn't turn up much worth wild. If I understand correctly, the JDSE/JavaOS
software version 1.0.1 was the version that Sun had put out to the public for free. All the updates after that cost money.

Aside from people sharing their experiences with the Java Stations and JavaOS, it seems that most of what is/was out there has dried
up, at least in regards to Sun's offerings. Most of what I found dealt with getting lunix running on them.

To where I still have a wealth of Sun Ray stuff for my $HOME enterprise, I have nothing, not even experience from 'back in the day'
in regards to the Java Stations, although, I was aware of them.

Jim, I know you are fishing for software, but thanks for bringing this topic up, it has been educational for me.

Jerry
OK - I have more or less what I need. The other guy on YouTube got back to
me. The server management software itself seems to be unobtainium - he was
able to replicate all of its functions on a Debian box by sniffing the
traffic it generated in WireShare; which is pretty straight-forward. Sun
https://www.dnd.utwente.nl/js/files/
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue

Peter Stokes
2018-07-19 08:25:39 UTC
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Hi Jim

You may want to look here if you have not already done so.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/JavaSta
tion-HOWTO.html

Peter
On 19 Jul 2018, at 03:19, JimStefanik SunRescue
Hi all,
I just recently picked up a Sun JavaStation 1. I'm hoping someone has a
copy of the server-side software to make it work. I believe it's called
"Netra J"; but the docs are a bit fuzzy since Sun seems to have used that
name for both a physical server AND this software package.
I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Jim Stefanik (aka FaultyWarrior pretty much everywhere)
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
_______________________________________________
rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
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