[rescue] SPARCstorage Array Model 214 RSM

[robert_brooke gravitt]

Anyone know anything about the SPARCstorage Array Model 214 RSM?

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2724228828&category=30969>

The link to sunsolve brings up an error. Googling doesn't give a lot of info, other than indicating it should have a Fibre interface, which this one doesn't seem to have (it has a HVD interface.)


Thanx,
Brooke

[Jonathan C. Patschke]

Post by robert_brooke gravitt
Anyone know anything about the SPARCstorage Array Model 214 RSM?

It's a SCSI enclosure with an SE<->DIFF bridge and just enough logic to
make sure that each of the drives gets a predictable SCSI ID. Unless
you have the head unit to go with it, you don't want it. You can't get
a useful SE port out the rear, so you're stuck with the bridge which
limits your throughput to 20MB/s.

Post by robert_brooke gravitt
The link to sunsolve brings up an error. Googling doesn't give a lot of
info, other than indicating it should have a Fibre interface, which
this one doesn't seem to have (it has a HVD interface.)

214 RSMs do not have fibre. The systems they are designed to fit in
either have fibre (Sun StorEdge A3500FC) or do not (Sun StorEdge A3500).

If you have the A3500 head unit, you can easily build a low-density
storage system out of it and a few of those 214 RSMs, but the 214 RSMs
aren't particularly interesting in any other scenario.

[Robert Novak]

Post by robert_brooke gravitt
Anyone know anything about the SPARCstorage Array Model 214 RSM?
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2724228828&category=30969>
The link to sunsolve brings up an error. Googling doesn't give a lot of info, other than indicating it should have a Fibre interface, which this one doesn't seem to have (it has a HVD interface.)

http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/SSA_214_7Slot/SSA_214_7Slot.html

Dual power supply, SE SCSI inside (7 bays with big carriers), HVD SCSI
outside. People here have reported luck with upgrading to 18GB disks,
which would give you RPS on a 126GB array pretty cheaply. They're not
too heavy either.

Be warned, there are some of these that have 220-only power supplies.
Some have said that *most* have switchable, but I have two 220-only
RSM214 boxes here. They do exist.

If anyone has an interest in 1-2 of the 220-only ones, let me know.
I think I'm keeping my 110/220 switchable one, in case I end up with
money anytime soon and can upgrade to 18 or 36gb disks. I just sold
a switchable to a local friend who's going to run a bank of $9 9gb
disks on his U2 with a DSBE card, and use the 4gb drives in the array
for mirrored boot disks in his Suns.

If you're more interested in space than LVD performance, they're a
good deal, or can be at least. Fairly compact, easily rackable, and
HVD can enable you to use far longer cable runs from the computer to
the storage array.

--Rob

[Dan Canaan]

I'm surprised nobody has responded on this yet. Perhaps the message didn't
go through originally. Anyways, either someone picks up these units from
the list or they go to a local swap meet with 'free' on them to just get
them out of the house.

Item: SGI Personal Iris, aka the big brown box
Qty: 5
Location: Federal Way, WA (Puget Sound area)

These beasties all power up but need and OS. I believe up to Irix
5.3. They are ex-NASA units (cool!) coming from California. Some have
drives (most) with sleds which makes moving an OS drive between machines a
piece of cake. They need that old early CD-ROM version that Suns and such
had with the byte mode switch. I got a couple of those drives but didn't
have much luck initially to get them recognized, then a New Shiny Object
arrived on the workbench and these got pushed to the side and not touched
since.

I'd rather see that a list member gets them as they will recognize them for
what they are and have a better chance of putting them to use. A flea
market will have people looking at them and thinking "Cool! Big old
computer!" but not have a clue what to do next.

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:00:30 -0700

Post by Dan Canaan
I'm surprised nobody has responded on this yet. Perhaps the message didn't
go through originally. Anyways, either someone picks up these units from
the list or they go to a local swap meet with 'free' on them to just get
them out of the house.

Uuuh... I'd pick them up, really. But it4s a bit too far to travel from here
to the US. If you should some day decide to part them out and are willing to
ship we might be able to work something out.

Post by Dan Canaan
Item: SGI Personal Iris, aka the big brown box
Qty: 5
Location: Federal Way, WA (Puget Sound area)

Just out of curiosity: Do you have any further specs at hand?

Post by Dan Canaan
These beasties all power up but need and OS. I believe up to Irix
5.3.

Yup, 5.3 is the maximum for *all* Personal Iris. I don't think that it is
much fun on 4d/20 though (12.5 MHz R2000). On the other hand a 4D/35 (36 MHz
R3000) runs circles around an R3000 Indigo - PLUS sounds a lot more like
a real computer.

Post by Dan Canaan
I'd rather see that a list member gets them as they will recognize them for
what they are and have a better chance of putting them to use. A flea
market will have people looking at them and thinking "Cool! Big old
computer!" but not have a clue what to do next.

Scrap the innards and install a Pentium IV 2GHz?



Gerhard

[Kevin]

This is a joke right?

/KRM

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:20:52 +0000

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
Scrap the innards and install a Pentium IV 2GHz?
Gerhard
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[Gerhard Lenerz]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:26:57 -0500

Post by Kevin
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:20:52 +0000

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
Scrap the innards and install a Pentium IV 2GHz?

This is a joke right?

Nope. I was mailed buy a guy with 2 PIs who did just that to one of them
as far as I understand it. Plus there are pictures of an Indigo turned into
a boring PC on the Web. Don't know what the status of the systems was before
they were... eeeeh... "rebuilt".



Gerhard

[Kevin]

I REALLY don't see the point in doing this with an IRIS. I
don't really like it when people do this to functional
O2s/Octanes but at least some of SGI more recent systems look
pretty cool (for the record, the Indigo looks good as well).
I have nothing at all against the IRIS boxes but their saving
grace isn't their looks by any stretch of the imagination. So
if you take away the insides and cram a P4 in there you are
left with an ugly, heavy PeeCee.

Wish i lived close enough to pick up one of these... even if i
did it wouldn't fit in my car though.

/KRM

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:36:43 +0000

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:26:57 -0500

Post by Kevin
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:20:52 +0000

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
Scrap the innards and install a Pentium IV 2GHz?

This is a joke right?

Nope. I was mailed buy a guy with 2 PIs who did just that to
one of them as far as I understand it. Plus there are
pictures of an Indigo turned into a boring PC on the Web.
Don't know what the status of the systems was before they
were... eeeeh... "rebuilt".
Gerhard
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[Gerhard Lenerz]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:48:59 -0500

Post by Kevin
I REALLY don't see the point in doing this with an IRIS.

Me neither. Personally I think the PIs are the most ugly systems SGI
has ever built. I guess the guys just want to show off the name.

Post by Kevin
I don't really like it when people do this to functional
O2s/Octanes but at least some of SGI more recent systems look
pretty cool (for the record, the Indigo looks good as well).

Now that you mention it... I've seen pictures of modified O2 as
well. Octanes possibly aren4t that suitable for case-modding.

Post by Kevin
Wish i lived close enough to pick up one of these... even if i
did it wouldn't fit in my car though.

What car is that? A Personal Iris is approximately as big as a
typical PC (Big)Tower. It is just terribly heavy and has some ugly
brown plastic skins attached to it.


Gerhard

[Kevin]

Supra Twin Turbo, i *might* fit lengthwise in the back
seat but the last time i did something of that nature
(21" monitor) i ended up with a ripped leather seat.

Nothing but a briefcase fits in the back hatch. I'll
check my priorities next time i buy a car :)

/KRM

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:14:31 +0000

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
What car is that? A Personal Iris is approximately as
big as a typical PC (Big)Tower. It is just terribly
heavy and has some ugly brown plastic skins attached
to it.

[Jochen Kunz]

On the other hand a 4D/35 (36 MHz R3000) runs circles around
an R3000 Indigo -

Really? What makes it so much faster? Isn't the R3k Indigo IP12 too and
uses the same RAMs?
BTW: Yes, IRIX 5.3 runns quite good on that iron.

PLUS sounds a lot more like a real computer.

... especially if you have a full set of options (biplane, Z-buffer, 4
GE, audio) and a VME FDDI card that needs 50 W on its own. (Got a
working 4D/35 some days ago.) I had to realize that the fan in that
machine is temperature controled. After some minutes of operation it
switches to "turbo" mode...
--


tsch|_,
Jochen

Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

[Gerhard Lenerz]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:25:42 +0200

Post by Jochen Kunz

On the other hand a 4D/35 (36 MHz R3000) runs circles around
an R3000 Indigo -

Really? What makes it so much faster? Isn't the R3k Indigo IP12 too and
uses the same RAMs?

I didn't give these two systems too much thought recently, but from what
I remember IP12 is not equal to IP12. The 4D/35 has the R3000 running at
36 MHz while on the Indigo it's 33 (or 30) MHz. Maybe more important is
that as far as I recall "some" busses run faster on the PI and that memory
access is handled slightly different. In regard to the busses I remember
something about a jumper that has to be set if a 4D/35 is equipped with
Elan graphics (which is a typical Indigo thing) and that reduces the
clock rate at which the (system?) bus is operating.

This is quite vague, if you're interested I can dive a bit into my
archives and see if I manage to find anything.


Gerhard

[Kevin Loch]

These beasties all power up but need and OS. I believe up to Irix 5.3.
They are ex-NASA units (cool!) coming from California. Some have drives

Anyone who gets these, be sure to check those drives for unreleased
Mars images before you wipe them. Do you know what part of
NASA they came from?

KL

[Sheldon T. Hall]

Flinthoof said ...

Post by Dan Canaan
I'm surprised nobody has responded on this yet.

I did! I sent it both to you directly and to the list.

I'll take one or more, but I'd prefer something that is complete, runs, uses
110V, and has a chance of doing something useful when resurrected. Extra
points if it still has a NASA tag on it. If it uses uncommon peripherals,
we'd need to talk about that.

-Shel

[Kevin]

Someone correct me if i am wrong but, i believe that the mouse
and keyboard on all the SGI Indigo and below machines are
proprietary.

[David Holland]

Correct. (At least as far as I remember)

[Dave McGuire]

Post by Gerhard Lenerz

Post by Kevin

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
Scrap the innards and install a Pentium IV 2GHz?

This is a joke right?

Nope. I was mailed buy a guy with 2 PIs who did just that to one of
them
as far as I understand it. Plus there are pictures of an Indigo turned
into
a boring PC on the Web. Don't know what the status of the systems was
before
they were... eeeeh... "rebuilt".

I trust you beat the living daylights out of this moron?

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire "She's a cheek pincher. I have scars."
St. Petersburg, FL -Gary Nichols

[Gerhard Lenerz]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:38:35 -0400

Post by Dave McGuire
I trust you beat the living daylights out of this moron?

Believe me, if I ever meet such a person face to face I guess I'll get
kinda loud. ;-)


Gerhard

[Robert Novak]

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:38:35 -0400

Post by Dave McGuire
I trust you beat the living daylights out of this moron?

Believe me, if I ever meet such a person face to face I guess I'll get
kinda loud. ;-)

Better to throw the whole thing away, I suppose.

I used to put K6-2/K6-3 systems into ancient (and well-recognized in
my department) 486 chassis that were retired from Token Ring testing.
It wasn't so much that I needed to save the $35 on an AT case, but it
was enjoyable to see the expressions on people's faces. Similar to
having NT4 workstation displayed on my Sun monitor, then hitting the
A/B button and showing Windows 98 on my SunPCI on the Tatung Ultra 10.

--Rob

[Rodito Buan II]

I consider that as torture for the poor Indigo :-(

Jeff

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:26:57 -0500

Post by Kevin
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:20:52 +0000

Post by Gerhard Lenerz
Scrap the innards and install a Pentium IV 2GHz?

This is a joke right?

Nope. I was mailed buy a guy with 2 PIs who did just that to
one of them as far as I understand it. Plus there are
pictures of an Indigo turned into a boring PC on the Web.
Don't know what the status of the systems was before they
were... eeeeh... "rebuilt".
Gerhard
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[N. Miller]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:27:13 -0400, "robert_brooke gravitt"

Post by robert_brooke gravitt
Anyone know anything about the SPARCstorage Array Model 214 RSM?
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2724228828&category=30969>
The link to sunsolve brings up an error. Googling doesn't give a lot of
info, other than indicating it should have a Fibre interface, which this
one doesn't seem to have (it has a HVD interface.)

I used those in E6000, back in ~1999 or so. None of mine had Fibre.
They were OK as far as JBOD trays go, but not all that fast.

=Nadine=

[Michael Schiller]

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Post by Kevin
Supra Twin Turbo, i *might* fit lengthwise in the back
seat but the last time i did something of that nature
(21" monitor) i ended up with a ripped leather seat.
Nothing but a briefcase fits in the back hatch. I'll
check my priorities next time i buy a car :)

You could always just add a trailer hitch onto the back of most any
car. U-Haul charges something like $25/day or less depending on the
trailer size, if you're close enough to drive to get it, you can throw
a trailer on the back, and rescue almost anything :)


- -Mike
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Post by Michael Schiller
You could always just add a trailer hitch onto the back of most any
car. U-Haul charges something like $25/day or less depending on the
trailer size, if you're close enough to drive to get it, you can throw
a trailer on the back, and rescue almost anything :)
- -Mike

I'm not sure if a hitch is even available for the late model Supra TT.
It would be a lot like putting a hitch on a Vette or a Porsche. It's a
sports car..... not meant for pulling anything but G's :-)

Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA

[David Passmore]

Post by Chad Fernandez
I'm not sure if a hitch is even available for the late model Supra TT.
It would be a lot like putting a hitch on a Vette or a Porsche. It's a
sports car..... not meant for pulling anything but G's :-)

I put a hitch on my '99 Mustang GT, and hauled a trailer for several hundred
miles with two complete engines, transmissions, and several parts in it.

David

[Kevin]

Anecdotal evidence

/KRM

On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:06:32 -0700

On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 02:26:42AM -0400, Chad Fernandez

Post by Chad Fernandez
I'm not sure if a hitch is even available for the late
model Supra TT. It would be a lot like putting a hitch on
a Vette or a Porsche. It's a sports car..... not meant
for pulling anything but G's :-)

I put a hitch on my '99 Mustang GT, and hauled a trailer for
several hundred miles with two complete engines,
transmissions, and several parts in it.
David
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Post by Chad Fernandez

Post by Michael Schiller
You could always just add a trailer hitch onto the back of most any
car. U-Haul charges something like $25/day or less depending on the
trailer size, if you're close enough to drive to get it, you can throw
a trailer on the back, and rescue almost anything :)
- -Mike

I'm not sure if a hitch is even available for the late model Supra TT.
It would be a lot like putting a hitch on a Vette or a Porsche. It's a
sports car..... not meant for pulling anything but G's :-)

Renting a truck costs a little more, but it's not THAT expensive.

Or wasn't last time I did it. I don't know, maybe truck rental has
skyrocketed since then.

---
Why don't they make mouse-flavored cat food?

[Chad Fernandez]

Post by Jeffrey Nonken
Renting a truck costs a little more, but it's not THAT expensive.
Or wasn't last time I did it. I don't know, maybe truck rental has
skyrocketed since then.

A few months back, when I rented a truck, they charged mileage from mile
0. I think that was through a Uhaul outfit. So for me, it would depend
greatly on how bad I wanted said computer, and how far away.

Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA

[Jeffrey Nonken]

Post by Chad Fernandez

Post by Jeffrey Nonken
Renting a truck costs a little more, but it's not THAT expensive.
Or wasn't last time I did it. I don't know, maybe truck rental has
skyrocketed since then.

A few months back, when I rented a truck, they charged mileage from mile
0. I think that was through a Uhaul outfit. So for me, it would depend
greatly on how bad I wanted said computer, and how far away.

Yeah, well, that's certainly a factor. But if your only other choice is to
pull a trailer with a Yugo...

---
Never play leap frog with a unicorn.

[Robert Novak]

Post by Chad Fernandez

Post by Jeffrey Nonken
Renting a truck costs a little more, but it's not THAT expensive.
Or wasn't last time I did it. I don't know, maybe truck rental has
skyrocketed since then.

A few months back, when I rented a truck, they charged mileage from mile
0. I think that was through a Uhaul outfit. So for me, it would depend
greatly on how bad I wanted said computer, and how far away.

Most rental truck places do seem to do base plus mileage on in-town
rentals (drop off same place you pick up). One-way includes days and
miles.

I once rented a Silverado 4-seat pickup (with cruise control and
am/fm/cd, which both seem wrong for a production truck, although
I did appreciate them) from Enterprise to move some stuff. $70/day,
with 200ish miles per day included. The last time I rented a Savana
van from Uhaul, it was $19.95 plus 50c/mile I think. Budget is
19.95 + .45/mile now.

--Rob

[Kevin]

The car's manual has a picture of this with a large circle and
slash, for those who can't read. I've changed the trans in
that car for a beefier model and this is assuredly why they
don't want people hauling stuff with it but i am still not
chancing it.

/KRM

On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:20:13 -0400

Post by Michael Schiller
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Post by Kevin
Supra Twin Turbo, i *might* fit lengthwise in the back
seat but the last time i did something of that nature
(21" monitor) i ended up with a ripped leather seat.
Nothing but a briefcase fits in the back hatch. I'll
check my priorities next time i buy a car :)

You could always just add a trailer hitch onto the back of
most any car. U-Haul charges something like $25/day or less
depending on the trailer size, if you're close enough to
drive to get it, you can throw a trailer on the back, and
rescue almost anything :)
- -Mike
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Post by Michael Schiller
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Post by Kevin
Nothing but a briefcase fits in the back hatch. I'll
check my priorities next time i buy a car :)

You could always just add a trailer hitch onto the back of most any
car. U-Haul charges something like $25/day or less depending on the
trailer size, if you're close enough to drive to get it, you can
throw a trailer on the back, and rescue almost anything :)

You can rent vans cheaply for local (return to same location) from
places like enterprise (IIRC, it has been a while) - I think it was <
$50/day the last time I rented one with unlimited mileage - I put 9-10
hours on that truck, and several hundred miles in my "local" rental to
rescue two equipment racks...

Not a bad deal.


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Post by Chad Fernandez
I'm not sure if a hitch is even available for the late model Supra
TT. It would be a lot like putting a hitch on a Vette or a Porsche.
It's a sports car..... not meant for pulling anything but G's :-)

G's or G4's? ;^)


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