Discussion:
[rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620 terminal
Paul Fox
2018-10-02 14:13:45 UTC
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Hi -

I worked at Bell Labs in the 80s, and I think my sole remaining
souvenir (well, aside from a screwdriver or two) is a bright red
hemispherical Logitech mouse for the 5620.
https://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/mouse/

I have no idea whether it works.

I'm wondering what to do with it. The Computer History Museum
already seems to have a couple of them, but I suspect they'd take
another. Are they still a worthwhile destination for stuff like
this?

Or, perhaps, someone here might be interested?

paul
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Jerry Kemp
2018-10-02 14:30:07 UTC
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I would love to have this for myself, but the truth is, this device needs to end up with

Seth Morabito

The man who single handily created the AT&T 3b2 emulator that many of us are enjoying.

If you are not on, or aware of the 3b2 emulator project, I would be happy to reimburse you for postage, and get this to Seth myself.

Let me know.

Jerry Kemp



-------- Original Message --------
From: Paul Fox
Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 9:13 AM CDT
To: The Rescue List
Subject: [rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620 terminal

Hi -

I worked at Bell Labs in the 80s, and I think my sole remaining
souvenir (well, aside from a screwdriver or two) is a bright red
hemispherical Logitech mouse for the 5620.
https://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/mouse/

I have no idea whether it works.

I'm wondering what to do with it. The Computer History Museum
already seems to have a couple of them, but I suspect they'd take
another. Are they still a worthwhile destination for stuff like
this?

Or, perhaps, someone here might be interested?

paul
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Dave McGuire
2018-10-02 14:34:04 UTC
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On 10/02/2018 10:13 AM, Paul Fox wrote:
> I worked at Bell Labs in the 80s, and I think my sole remaining
> souvenir (well, aside from a screwdriver or two) is a bright red
> hemispherical Logitech mouse for the 5620.
> https://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/mouse/
>
> I have no idea whether it works.
>
> I'm wondering what to do with it. The Computer History Museum
> already seems to have a couple of them, but I suspect they'd take
> another. Are they still a worthwhile destination for stuff like
> this?
>
> Or, perhaps, someone here might be interested?

We'd love to exhibit this at the Large Scale Systems Museum. (email
sent offlist)

-Dave

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Steve Hatle
2018-10-02 15:27:11 UTC
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I had just the mouse for many years.

Then a friend of a friend mentioned he had the 5620 terminal, but not the
mouse.

When I offered it to him, he instead decided I needed the terminal to go with
it, so now I have both :-)

Seems like either Seth or Dave would be a good home for this.

Steve

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Jerry Kemp
2018-10-02 15:32:38 UTC
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The mouse and terminal are yours, and it is up to you to decide.

Which ever way you choose, your item will find a good home.

Jerry Kemp


-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Hatle
Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 10:27 AM CDT
To: The Rescue List
Subject: [rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620 terminal

I had just the mouse for many years.

Then a friend of a friend mentioned he had the 5620 terminal, but not the
mouse.

When I offered it to him, he instead decided I needed the terminal to go with
it, so now I have both :-)

Seems like either Seth or Dave would be a good home for this.

Steve

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Dave McGuire
2018-10-02 15:34:13 UTC
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On 10/02/2018 11:27 AM, Steve Hatle wrote:
> I had just the mouse for many years.
>
> Then a friend of a friend mentioned he had the 5620 terminal, but not the
> mouse.
>
> When I offered it to him, he instead decided I needed the terminal to go with
> it, so now I have both :-)

Nice!

> Seems like either Seth or Dave would be a good home for this.

I'm not looking for it for me personally; it would be for the museum.

-Dave

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Steve Hatle
2018-10-02 15:34:58 UTC
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FWIW, forgot to mention that there's currently a white version of this mouse
on the bay, with a BIN/BO of $1200.00

https://tinyurl.com/yc99fat7



--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620
terminal
From: "Steve Hatle" <***@nfldinet.com>
Date: 10/2/18 10:27 am
To: "The Rescue List" <***@sunhelp.org>

I had just the mouse for many years.

Then a friend of a friend mentioned he had the 5620 terminal, but not the
mouse.

When I offered it to him, he instead decided I needed the terminal to go
with
it, so now I have both :-)

Seems like either Seth or Dave would be a good home for this.

Steve

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Date: 10/2/18 9:13 am
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Dave McGuire
2018-10-02 15:38:06 UTC
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Oh my, the Lilith version. Sweet. Don't see too many of those around.

-Dave

On 10/02/2018 11:34 AM, Steve Hatle wrote:
> FWIW, forgot to mention that there's currently a white version of this mouse
> on the bay, with a BIN/BO of $1200.00
>
> https://tinyurl.com/yc99fat7
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620
> terminal
> From: "Steve Hatle" <***@nfldinet.com>
> Date: 10/2/18 10:27 am
> To: "The Rescue List" <***@sunhelp.org>
>
> I had just the mouse for many years.
>
> Then a friend of a friend mentioned he had the 5620 terminal, but not the
> mouse.
>
> When I offered it to him, he instead decided I needed the terminal to go
> with
> it, so now I have both :-)
>
> Seems like either Seth or Dave would be a good home for this.
>
> Steve
>
> --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620
> terminal
> From: "Paul Fox" <
> Date: 10/2/18 9:13 am
> To: "The Rescue List" ><***@sunhelp.org>
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Jerry Kemp
2018-10-02 15:39:45 UTC
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thanks for sharing that link.

I've only ever seen the red ones.

Jerry


-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Hatle
Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 10:34 AM CDT
To: The Rescue List
Subject: [rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620 terminal

FWIW, forgot to mention that there's currently a white version of this mouse
on the bay, with a BIN/BO of $1200.00

https://tinyurl.com/yc99fat7
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null
2018-10-02 15:44:47 UTC
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> FWIW, forgot to mention that there's currently a white version of this
mouse
> on the bay, with a BIN/BO of $1200.00


Ibve bought two on eBay in the last few years for <$80 so that price seems
pretty aspirational.

> On Oct 2, 2018, at 08:39, Jerry Kemp <***@oryx.us> wrote:
>
> thanks for sharing that link.
>
> I've only ever seen the red ones.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Steve Hatle
> Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 10:34 AM CDT
> To: The Rescue List
> Subject: [rescue] mouse for AT&T 5620 terminal
>
> FWIW, forgot to mention that there's currently a white version of this
mouse
> on the bay, with a BIN/BO of $1200.00
>
> https://tinyurl.com/yc99fat7
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Richard
2018-10-02 23:11:59 UTC
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In article <***@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us>,
Paul Fox <***@foxharp.boston.ma.us> writes:

> I worked at Bell Labs in the 80s, and I think my sole remaining
> souvenir (well, aside from a screwdriver or two) is a bright red
> hemispherical Logitech mouse for the 5620.
> https://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/mouse/
>
> I have no idea whether it works.
>
> I'm wondering what to do with it. [...]

I have some of these terminals[*], but I'm lacking keyboards and mice to
go with them.

[*] <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/wall-19.jpg>
On the next to bottom shelf in this photo are 2 AT&T 6520 terminals.
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Paul Fox
2018-10-07 12:13:40 UTC
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I wanted to thank you all for the interest/suggestions regarding
my Depraz mouse. I'll be sending it (and some old Bell Labs UNIX
manuals) off to Dave McGuire for his museum. Glad it's all going
to a good home.

I realized that I actually have one more true souvenir of my time at
Bell Labs (and AT&T Information Systems). This email has gotten
to be too long as I reminisce with myself, but I think this
crowd that might be amused/interested.

I joined the Labs in 1980, and after a brief stint in a group doing a
big telecomm switch, I moved into a team that was far more interesting
to me, developing a 68000-based UNIX workstation. It was doomed,
because in their foresight they designed it with a character-only
display -- no graphics, on a new computer, in 1983. But it got my
foot in the door.

I went on to work on a full UNIX port to the Olivetti 6300 -- swapping
only, no paging of course, and memory management was based on the 8086
segment registers. No security at all. We knew that, but it was fun
to do. It never left the building.

Happily, the 68000 project was fairly quickly followed by the UNIX
PC, designed by Convergent Technologies. That was a great little
machine, and I did a lot of work on it, as well as on the StarLAN
network -- first 1Mbps (!) and then 10Mbps on twisted pair -- it fed
heavily into the original 10baseT standard. I did have my own UNIX PC
for a while, but no longer.

But one of my last projects before leaving the company in '88 was on
an SVR3 port to an in-house design for a new 386 PC. AT&T had an
agreement with Olivetti for the 6300, but was considering bringing PC
development back inside. So there was this huge motherboard screwed
to a (literal) breadboard, along with power supply, 10Mb MFM disk,
etc. We got the port running, but as I recall there was a bug in the
boot loader, and I was the only one who really knew how to do the
in-memory patch to get the system up. The group had moved on to 3B2
work (those things were LOUD!) by the time I resigned, and I asked my
boss if I could take the 386 prototype with me -- it was no longer in
use, and I was the only one who could boot it. It went into storage
while my wife and I travelled for a while, then came out when we
needed a machine on which to write our first post-AT&T resumes. I
built a box around the big breadboard and we ran it for many years --
first with the original SVR3, and then starting in '92 with Linux.
It had 4M of ram, and 10M of disk.
https://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/photos/misc/systems/scaled_2.jpg

Anyway, I still have the motherboard, though it's obviously no
longer functional. It's right here on our kitchen wall:
https://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/clock.jpg

With all of those rework wires, frankly I'm surprised it ever ran at all.

paul

I wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I worked at Bell Labs in the 80s, and I think my sole remaining
> souvenir (well, aside from a screwdriver or two) is a bright red
> hemispherical Logitech mouse for the 5620.
> https://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/mouse/
>
> I have no idea whether it works.
>
> I'm wondering what to do with it. The Computer History Museum
> already seems to have a couple of them, but I suspect they'd take
> another. Are they still a worthwhile destination for stuff like
> this?
>
> Or, perhaps, someone here might be interested?
>
> paul
> =----------------------
> paul fox, ***@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 50.4 degrees)
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>


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